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Did the Android user interface change from a list to icons recently?

Hi all...

I have had DoggCatcher on my Android phone for quite some time, but haven't used it too much.

I SEEM to recall that it used to display podcasts and other streams in a list, one per line.

Now when I use the app, I see a grid of icons (the "Album Art" style listing).

Is it the case that they changed the UI recently to be like this? Is there any way to change it to use a list-style? I prefer that, and really don't like the bad use of space the icon view has.

Let me know if the UI has always been like this - old brain, can't remember. :-)

- Tim

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Same question.

I do not like the grid, and I can not find a way to put it back. HELP PLEASE

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Yup, latest version forced

Yup, latest version forced the grid/tile view on us. I don't like it either.

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WTF

Forces it? Sorry, this is a deal-breaker for me. There is no information contained in the grid view, just an icon that is slightly bigger than before.

Why does every company assume it can choose for the customer? Some will love it, some will hate it. We know both are possible, so give us the choice.

Not you.

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I agree. It does my head in

I agree. It does my head in the tile view. Looking at the company's response in another thread, they don't seem willing to give us the option of list or grid.

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When I made the choice to

When I made the choice to switch to the tiles, I had a pretty good feeling that some would like it and some wouldn't. That was confirmed by our beta tester feedback. It's not surprising, considering we're all human beings and we each have individual preferences. I get the feeling...I've had the same thing happen to me with other apps I use, it's not pleasant.

I know some people have chosen DoggCatcher with an expectation that features will remain over time, and for the past nearly five years, I have done my best to do that. Sometimes that's at the detriment of the app in terms of usability (yours) and maintainability (mine). There are tons of configuration options that make long-time DC users get the app just the way they want, but that also confuses new users a good bit. It affects DC in ways that you don't directly see by making bugs more common and time-consuming to fix, which keeps me away from other improvements.

On the topic of supporting both views, while that's technically possible, it would draw effort away from the many other things that users are requesting. In the near term, that includes wrapping up cloud sync so we can open that to the general public. It also includes a re-design of the screens around adding new feeds, and a re-design of the playing tab.

What I'm mainly trying to convey is that I do understand that unexpected changes are not always welcome, but I think that to keep the app headed in the right direction, sometimes these changes are necessary. I hope that you'll stick with us.

If anyone has any feedback about specific shortcomings or ways that we can improve the tiles, I'm completely open to hearing those ideas.

Eric ("the company") :-)

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Thanks

I appreciate the comment, and do not doubt you.

We have 3 smart phones, one paid DC and 2 lite. I am sorry to say they will all look for another app. I know this is not a big deal to you, or that anyone really cares. But I will not throw more money at an app that changes things without offering the ability to customize something so very fundamental.

If I wanted that, I would have an apple device.

I would suggest for the future that you do not change something like this until you can offer it as a "choice" or a "feature". It will increase value, not chase away those that have supported you.

Good luck to you.

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I would like to also voice my

I would like to also voice my preference for the list view. The main issue I have is that I have a somewhat significant backlog of podcasts (26 episodes on 7 different feeds). As a result of that and this new layout it takes me noticeably longer to figure out which feed has the most unplayed episodes (or if one of the feeds at the top has a new episode, since the small 1 can quickly be overlooked with all the visual noise going on).

So in short; I'll use the new layout since I do not have much choice, but I would switch back in a heartbeat if I had the option.

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Next time do not try to stop my feedback. Posted Store Review

Layout is terrible They just forced a tiled view instead of list view with no way to choose. I went to the site and the "owner" replied and explained they are working on other things, and this is just the way it is. I tried to reply and my input is now not allowed! LOL Go look for yourself in the DC forums, crazy. Anyway, I am looking for something new, even though I have already paid for this. Not for the change, although it is terrible, but because the company does not want feedback. If I wanted to be forced to accept apps or too bad, I would have an apple device. Be aware you will be forced to take whatever changes they make to this app.

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We're not intentionally

We're not intentionally blocking any posts. I think there's way more activity than normal around here and it's causing posts to be posted multiple times and the spam filter is flagging them.

I'm going through the posts now to get the dups deleted and un-spam the legit posts.

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Feel free to delete my 101

Feel free to delete my 101 replies that I re-sent trying to get through the filter :/

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Ditto. No choice here either.

Ditto. No choice here either. I'm not going to be jumping ship right away. It's only fair that I give your vision a chance. I'll stick with you and give the new look a decent bedding in time period. It took me ages to find a decent podcast app in the first place so I know no other app to jump to.

Whilst I totally understand the one direction rational behind not supporting two different views, you could leave the list view as an option (non-default so anyone new gets the new look) so that those who prefer the list view can still use it. Almost every app these days has different view options to some degree. There could be millions of reasons why a choice of view is needed, such as visual impairments or colour blindness etc. You could still no-longer support the list view officially.

PS - This SPAM blocker thing on the website is getting on my nerves too :)

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I'm not going to be jumping

I'm not going to be jumping ship right away. It's only fair that I give your vision a chance. I'll stick with you and give the new look a decent bedding in time period. It took me ages to find a decent podcast app in the first place so I know no other app to jump to.

Whilst I totally understand the one direction rational behind not supporting two different views, you could leave the list view as an option (non-default so anyone new gets the new look) so that those who prefer the list view can still use it. Almost every app these days has different view options to some degree. There could be millions of reasons why a choice of view is needed, such as visual impairments or colour blindness etc. You could still no-longer support the list view officially.

PS - This SPAM blocker thing on the website is getting on my nerves too :)

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I'm not going to be jumping

I'm not going to be jumping ship right away. It's only fair that I give your vision a chance. I'll stick with you and give the new look a decent bedding in time period. It took me ages to find a decent podcast app in the first place so I know no other app to jump to.

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I'm not going to be jumping

I'm not going to be jumping ship right away. It's only fair that I give your vision a chance. I'll stick with you and give the new look a decent bedding in time period. It took me ages to find a decent podcast app in the first place so I know no other app to jump to.

Whilst I totally understand the one direction rational behind not supporting two different views, you could leave the list view as an option (non-default so anyone new gets the new look) so that those who prefer the list view can still use it. Almost every app these days has different view options to some degree. There could be millions of reasons why a choice of view is needed, such as visual impairments or colour blindness etc. You could still no-longer support the list view officially.

PS - This SPAM blocker thing on the website is getting on my nerves too :)

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I'm not going to be jumping

I'm not going to be jumping ship right away. It's only fair that I give your vision a chance. I'll stick with you and give the new look a decent bedding in time period. It took me ages to find a decent podcast app in the first place so I know no other app to jump to.

Whilst I totally understand the one direction rational behind not supporting two different views, you could leave the list view as an option (non-default so anyone new gets the new look) so that those who prefer the list view can still use it. Almost every app these days has different view options to some degree. There could be millions of reasons why a choice of view is needed, such as visual impairments or colour blindness etc. You could still no-longer support the list view officially.

PS - This SPAM blocker thing on the website is getting on my nerves too :)

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Hmm

Hmm

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Whilst I totally understand

Whilst I totally understand the one direction rational behind not supporting two different views, you could leave the list view as an option (non-default so anyone new gets the new look) so that those who prefer the list view can still use it. Almost every app these days has different view options to some degree. There could be millions of reasons why a choice of view is needed, such as visual impairments or colour blindness.. You could still no-longer support the list view officially.

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This SPAM Filter is doing my

This SPAM Filter is doing my nuts in! I can't post anything useful as it says its spam!

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Ditto. No choice here either.

Ditto. No choice here either. I'm not going to be jumping ship right away. It's only fair that I give your vision a chance. I'll stick with you and give the new look a decent bedding in time period. It took me ages to find a decent podcast app in the first place so I know no other app to jump to.

Whilst I totally understand the one direction rational behind not supporting two different views, you could leave the list view as an option (non-default so anyone new gets the new look) so that those who prefer the list view can still use it. Almost every app these days has different view options to some degree. There could be millions of reasons why a choice of view is needed, such as visual impairments or colour blindness etc. You could still no-longer support the list view officially.

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Ditto. No choice here either.

Ditto. No choice here either. I'm not going to be jumping ship right away. It's only fair that I give your vision a chance. I'll stick with you and give the new look a decent bedding in time period. It took me ages to find a decent podcast app in the first place so I know no other app to jump to.

Whilst I totally understand the one direction rational behind not supporting two different views, you could leave the list view as an option (non-default so anyone new gets the new look) so that those who prefer the list view can still use it. Almost every app these days has different view options to some degree. There could be millions of reasons why a choice of view is needed, such as visual impairments or colour blindness etc. You could still no-longer support the list view officially.

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Ditto. No choice here either.

Ditto. No choice here either. I'm not going to be jumping ship right away. It's only fair that I give your vision a chance. I'll stick with you and give the new look a decent bedding in time period. It took me ages to find a decent podcast app in the first place so I know no other app to jump to.

Whilst I totally understand the one direction rational behind not supporting two different views, you could leave the list view as an option (non-default so anyone new gets the new look) so that those who prefer the list view can still use it. Almost every app these days has different view options to some degree. There could be millions of reasons why a choice of view is needed, such as visual impairments or colour blindness etc. You could still no-longer support the list view officially.

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Ditto. No choice here either.

Ditto. No choice here either. I'm not going to be jumping ship right away. It's only fair that I give your vision a chance. I'll stick with you and give the new look a decent bedding in time period. It took me ages to find a decent podcast app in the first place so I know no other app to jump to.

Whilst I totally understand the one direction rational behind not supporting two different views, you could leave the list view as an option (non-default so anyone new gets the new look) so that those who prefer the list view can still use it. Almost every app these days has different view options to some degree. There could be millions of reasons why a choice of view is needed, such as visual impairments or colour blindness etc. You could still no-longer support the list view officially.

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tiles

I definitely understand the reluctance to add yet another configuration option. There's an awful lot of options in DC, and I'd guess 98% of the time they're never touched - the other 2%, you remove them and you're ruining someone's day! :)

I totally get that attracting new users is important, especially financially. But the strength and selling point of Doggcatcher is that it's configurable and it attracts power users. I haven't seen a single comment saying 'love the new tile interface!' ... but I have seen an awful lot of 'I really don't like this'. Obviously I'm not seeing the full story at all, but I'm not sure if the tiles are chosen because people actually prefer them, or whether it's /felt/ to be less hostile to new users.

The other thing is that in my humble opinion, these tiles are an objectively worse interface(!). Let me do a UI teardown for a second (and sorry if this sounds aggressive or unconstructive - not my intent). Take adding a new feed, for example (why is it under +? I'd half expect that to mean 'louder'). You get a menu of about ten options, most of which I'd have culled anyway. Clicking on 'Top feeds' shows me 12 icons. 4 of them are indecipherable headphones, two of them nearly the same picture. There's text underneath on some, but it's clipped and hard to read. None of it tells me anything about the feeds. The text scrolls as a marquee - one of these is bad enough, but several scrolling marquees on screen at once is terrible - where am I supposed to look! But it only scrolls once, so it's kind of the worst of both worlds. The bottom set of tiles is also clipped and unreadable. Does 'subscribe to all' subscribe to all the ones I can see, or all on whatever these odd virtual listview type things are called on Android. Why would I want to subscribe to all anyway? Etc. I'd much rather have the extra screen space to tell me something than a giant button.

I find adding a new feed so clumsy that I find it easier to google the RSS and then just paste into a new feed. That's hardly intuitive, and I'm a long time DC user. I haven't dared update yet, because I didn't think that set of interface changes was positive, and I don't want to lose my big horrible list :)

I guess if I try to be specific : a) Podcast icons are often missing, often terrible, and rarely tell me anything about the podcast. b) Grids full of icons are confusing and slow to understand & navigate (the Android app drawer fits in 20 icons with text where DC fits in 12 usually without!) - also their icons are mostly fixed, both in terms of style and spatially c) I visit that page many many times, my key priorities are finding out what's left, which ones changed, and deciding which suits my mood. Doing that with pictures just takes me longer. The big lists of text are what attracted me to DC in the first place!

Finally, I've definitely had great value from the thousands of hours I've used DC, so while I'm here let me say thanks for a great app :)

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Don't suppose you've got the

Don't suppose you've got the .apk file for the previous version lurking anyway by chance? :)

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Feeds tab improvements

I mentioned this in the other thread, and it's mentioned a few times below, but the thing that's most helpful to me is the ability to see which feeds have unplayed media, errors, etc. A small colour tick and a number on a visually busy screen doesn't do this very well. Maybe there's a possiblity to keep the tiles, but make an option that they can display either the picture, or just the title in text on a blank background. That would be easier to read, at least.

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Thanks for the reply, Eric...

I can certainly understand your motivations and love it when a developer (I'm a developer too) has continued interest in improving and maintaining his work.

That said, there seems to be a general trend in phone interfaces these days (driven lately by Microsoft with their tiled interface, but quickly followed by Apple and Google) to dumb things down. Kind of a "Why give them this much information all at once, when instead we can give them brightly colored, regular-shaped tiles in a grid! Oooo, pretty!"

I guess the designers/developers feel it is more "finger-friendly", easier to navigate, and that a lot of people are purely visual and look for images they're familiar with over specific information.

That's fine for people who prefer that kind of interface.

But for me (and many others) who like "as much information you can comfortably show without making it 'too busy'", the older interface, displayed as a list (with more space for the name of a feed/album/etc, more ability between two entries that may look EXACTLY the same except for what URL they are served by or a small change their the end of their name, etc.) is just more helpful.

Take for example my own list of feeds - I DO want to know, right away, what service is serving the feed, especially when picking new feeds. I think I have to add the feed, then click on its properties after the fact to see who's serving it, which seems ridiculous. I also want to see in my list of feeds the whole name of the feed, its length, how far I might have played it, and other status information. This doesn't have to take up the whole screen, but a screen-width rectangle could hold all that, including scrolling the name and other valus as you watch if they're too wide.

This same "colorful black of data with minimal information" technique used in the new interface is being used by Google for their Google+ "forums" (eg. their Google Play android app reviews, etc.). Instead of a real forum with a hierarchical structure, folders of categories, lots of data displayed for every entry, maintaining of context while reading an entry, etc... Google has opted to have a thumbnail of the user and their name, posting date, and the first X character, arranged in a block, with a "more" button, in a big grid of similar items (and which pushes other items over when you expand them). Sure, I can search them all or read them one at a time, but there's no traditional "Big Picture / List" view for them.

This trend seems to be starting to be followed by all the app developers, especially media apps. Perhaps consumers of media are seen as dumb monkeys who like to push brightly colored buttons (or perhaps the average such consumer *is* a dumb monkey, etc.). But I know that I for one prefer more info taking up a bit more space, more context displayed all at once and easily scrolled to, etc.

You know, the way things were done everywhere until maybe 2 years ago.

Do you get where I'm coming from?

- Tim

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Replied, but...

... your filters blocked it for some reason. It was a pleasant enough reply. Please take a look at it if you can. :-)

- Tim

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No Choice.

Sorry, Eric. Yes it is your company. Do what you want. However ....

I paid for the app. I use it everyday for the past yr or 2!!! I even gave you a good rating on the marketplace. (something I now regret) I do not like the new tiles screen!! It's ugly as sin, and unfortunately you wasted a lot of effort. (but, your effort was well done) It is bulkier, and, harder to use. I do not want to see those stupid tiles. A list is much more concise and easier to find the one i want. I have 30+ podcasts; A list is so much easier to navigate. You only display the first few bytes of the title. If you have long names they get cut off. If you have several titles that start with the same characters, you can not differentiate between them. Please bring back the list or make it a UI option. Every time I see that ugly thing, it is going to tempt me to look for another podcast app. I understand what you are saying about level of effort and time available. however, (1) the code is still around somewhere. But, (2) mainly, consider the main marketing rules from restaurants .... Presentation is everything! You may serve the best meal around, but if the presentation is wrong, people will go else where.

i know you don't want to feel like you wasted the effort, however, you will be loosing established customers (Me included) if you don't quickly bring out the UI option to go back to a list. Please reconsider your choice to prioritize new customers over your base.

Tom

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please change it

Sorry, Eric. Yes it is your company. Do what you want. However ....

I paid for the app. I use it everyday!!! I even gave you a good rating on the marketplace. (something I now regret) I do not like the new tiles screen!! It's ugly as sin, and unfortunately you wasted a lot of effort. (but, your effort was well done) It is bulkier, and, harder to use. I do not want to see those stupid tiles. A list is much more concise and easier to find the one i want. I have 30+ podcasts; A list is so much easier to navigate. You only display the first few bytes of the title. If you have long names they get cut off. If you have several titles that start with the same characters, you can not differentiate between them. Please bring back the list or make it a UI option. Every time I see that ugly thing, it is going to tempt me to look for another podcast app. I understand what you are saying about level of effort and time available. however, (1) the code is still around somewhere. But, (2) mainly, consider the main marketing rules from restaurants .... Presentation is everything! You may serve the best meal around, but if the presentation is wrong, people will go else where.

i know you don't want to feel like you wasted the effort, however, you will be loosing established customers (Me included) if you don't quickly bring out the UI option to go back to a list. Please reconsider your choice to prioritize new customers over your base.

Tom

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please change it

Sorry, Eric. Yes it is your company. Do what you want. However ....

I paid for the app. I use it everyday!!! I even gave you a good rating on the marketplace. (something I now regret) I do not like the new tiles screen!! It's ugly as sin, and unfortunately you wasted a lot of effort. (but, your effort was well done) It is bulkier, and, harder to use. I do not want to see those stupid tiles. A list is much more concise and easier to find the one i want. I have 30+ podcasts; A list is so much easier to navigate. You only display the first few bytes of the title. If you have long names they get cut off. If you have several titles that start with the same characters, you can not differentiate between them. Please bring back the list or make it a UI option. Every time I see that ugly thing, it is going to tempt me to look for another podcast app. I understand what you are saying about level of effort and time available. however, (1) the code is still around somewhere. But, (2) mainly, consider the main marketing rules from restaurants .... Presentation is everything! You may serve the best meal around, but if the presentation is wrong, people will go else where.

i know you don't want to feel like you wasted the effort, however, you will be loosing established customers (Me included) if you don't quickly bring out the UI option to go back to a list. Please reconsider your choice to prioritize new customers over your base.

Tom

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Probelms with the change from list view to to tile view

One of the difficulty with tile view is that it makes it hard to distinguish between similarly named podcasts. Try doing a search for "Ted Talks Law" and you'll get 90 matches, most of which feature the same "TED" icon.

The tile format does not display the full text description either. Instead, I am given the following choices:
"TEDTalks (vi..."
"TEDTalks (vi..." (identical name with a different icon)
"TEDTalks (au..."
"TEDTalks Te..."
"TEDTalks Bu..."
"TEDTalks So..."
"TEDTalks Mu..."

If you are not going to revert to list view, can you at least scroll the podcast name across the icon? Otherwise, it is increadibly difficult to search for a specific podcast.

Thanks!

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Eric has the ability to view

Eric has the ability to view complete feed title, description, and URL from the add/subscribe feeds screens on his to do list http://mantis.snoggdoggler.com/view.php?id=1796

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I appreciate the comment, and

I appreciate the comment, and do not doubt you.

We have 3 smart phones, one paid DC and 2 lite. I am sorry to say they will all look for another app. I know this is not a big deal to you, or that anyone really cares. But I will not throw more money at an app that changes things without offering the ability to customize something so very fundamental.

If I wanted that, I would have an apple device.

I would suggest for the future that you do not change something like this until you can offer it as a "choice" or a "feature". It will increase value, not chase away those that have supported you.

Good luck to you.

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Ditto. No choice here either.

Ditto. No choice here either. I'm not going to be jumping ship right away. It's only fair that I give your vision a chance. I'll stick with you and give the new look a decent bedding in time period. It took me ages to find a decent podcast app in the first place so I know no other app to jump to.

Whilst I totally understand the one direction rational behind not supporting two different views, you could leave the list view as an option (non-default so anyone new gets the new look) so that those who prefer the list view can still use it. Almost every app these days has different view options to some degree. There could be millions of reasons why a choice of view is needed, such as visual impairments or colour blindness etc. You could still no-longer support the list view officially.

PS - This SPAM blocker thing on the website is getting on my nerves too :)

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Ditto. No choice here either.

Ditto. No choice here either. I'm not going to be jumping ship right away. It's only fair that I give your vision a chance. I'll stick with you and give the new look a decent bedding in time period. It took me ages to find a decent podcast app in the first place so I know no other app to jump to.

Whilst I totally understand the one direction rational behind not supporting two different views, you could leave the list view as an option (non-default so anyone new gets the new look) so that those who prefer the list view can still use it. Almost every app these days has different view options to some degree. There could be millions of reasons why a choice of view is needed, such as visual impairments or colour blindness etc. You could still no-longer support the list view officially.

PS - This SPAM blocker thing on the website is getting on my nerves too :)

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Ditto. No choice here either.

Ditto. No choice here either. I'm not going to be jumping ship right away. It's only fair that I give your vision a chance. I'll stick with you and give the new look a decent bedding in time period. It took me ages to find a decent podcast app in the first place so I know no other app to jump to.

Whilst I totally understand the one direction rational behind not supporting two different views, you could leave the list view as an option (non-default so anyone new gets the new look) so that those who prefer the list view can still use it. Almost every app these days has different view options to some degree. There could be millions of reasons why a choice of view is needed, such as visual impairments or colour blindness etc. You could still no-longer support the list view officially.

PS - This SPAM blocker thing on the website is getting on my nerves too :)

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Ditto. No choice here either.

Ditto. No choice here either. I'm not going to be jumping ship right away. It's only fair that I give your vision a chance. I'll stick with you and give the new look a decent bedding in time period. It took me ages to find a decent podcast app in the first place so I know no other app to jump to.

Whilst I totally understand the one direction rational behind not supporting two different views, you could leave the list view as an option (non-default so anyone new gets the new look) so that those who prefer the list view can still use it. Almost every app these days has different view options to some degree. There could be millions of reasons why a choice of view is needed, such as visual impairments or colour blindness etc. You could still no-longer support the list view officially.

PS - This SPAM blocker thing on the website is getting on my nerves too :)

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Ditto. No choice here either.

Ditto. No choice here either. I'm not going to be jumping ship right away. It's only fair that I give your vision a chance. I'll stick with you and give the new look a decent bedding in time period. It took me ages to find a decent podcast app in the first place so I know no other app to jump to.

Whilst I totally understand the one direction rational behind not supporting two different views, you could leave the list view as an option (non-default so anyone new gets the new look) so that those who prefer the list view can still use it. Almost every app these days has different view options to some degree. There could be millions of reasons why a choice of view is needed, such as visual impairments or colour blindness etc. You could still no-longer support the list view officially.

PS - This SPAM blocker thing on the website is getting on my nerves too :)

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Ditto. No choice here either.

Ditto. No choice here either. I'm not going to be jumping ship right away. It's only fair that I give your vision a chance. I'll stick with you and give the new look a decent bedding in time period. It took me ages to find a decent podcast app in the first place so I know no other app to jump to.

Whilst I totally understand the one direction rational behind not supporting two different views, you could leave the list view as an option (non-default so anyone new gets the new look) so that those who prefer the list view can still use it. Almost every app these days has different view options to some degree. There could be millions of reasons why a choice of view is needed, such as visual impairments or colour blindness etc. You could still no-longer support the list view officially.

PS - This SPAM blocker thing on the website is getting on my nerves too :)

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Ditto. No choice here either.

Ditto. No choice here either. I'm not going to be jumping ship right away. It's only fair that I give your vision a chance. I'll stick with you and give the new look a decent bedding in time period. It took me ages to find a decent podcast app in the first place so I know no other app to jump to.

Whilst I totally understand the one direction rational behind not supporting two different views, you could leave the list view as an option (non-default so anyone new gets the new look) so that those who prefer the list view can still use it. Almost every app these days has different view options to some degree. There could be millions of reasons why a choice of view is needed, such as visual impairments or colour blindness etc. You could still no-longer support the list view officially.

PS - This SPAM blocker thing on the website is getting on my nerves too :)

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Ditto. No choice here either.

Ditto. No choice here either. I'm not going to be jumping ship right away. It's only fair that I give your vision a chance. I'll stick with you and give the new look a decent bedding in time period. It took me ages to find a decent podcast app in the first place so I know no other app to jump to.

Whilst I totally understand the one direction rational behind not supporting two different views, you could leave the list view as an option (non-default so anyone new gets the new look) so that those who prefer the list view can still use it. Almost every app these days has different view options to some degree. There could be millions of reasons why a choice of view is needed, such as visual impairments or colour blindness etc. You could still no-longer support the list view officially.

PS - This SPAM blocker thing on the website is getting on my nerves too :)

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Just joined the forum to also

Just joined the forum to also add that I don't like the grid view. Not a deal breaker for me as the app has functioned much better than everything else I've ever tried. Just adding another vote. If there are plans and this is part of the bigger scheme/design overall then that's fine, but an option to flip it back would be good. Less clutter=more info.

An example of my problem now is a podcast I listen to has a free main show and a paid extra show. The different feeds use the same icon and the same first part of the description, so you have to tap in to see which one is which. Really a problem on their end I guess, but a problem that was created by this change nonetheless.

Keep up the good work with the rest of the app though!

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I really really do not like the grid view. I also have about 20 podcasts and this new view makes it much harder to sort through them, especially ones that don't have album art that don't have album art that identifies the podcast clearly in the top 2/3 of the icon. Please don't change anymore of the views to this crazy grid, and if possible go back to the old view.

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Hi Eric, I'm also an android

Hi Eric,

I'm also an android developer, and I understand the feedback that some people will like it and some will hate it. I for one though greatly dislike the new grid view. But I'd like to clarify my reasoning rather than just leave it at that.

Most of android is in list form. Think of Gmail, contacts, youtube, settings, notes, web results, etc. There are apps which go for the tile form such as gallery. The difference between the two is one is a link to show more data (lists) and the other is strictly visual content (pictures). When you are just lazily flipping through things, it's useful to have the tile form to see more data on the screen (pictures). But when you are trying to search through data, having it in list form is more natural. Think of how clunky it would be if Google search results were in tile form rather than a vertical list. Eyes are not meant to skim written data from left to right. When you skim, it's normally top to bottom.

As one person pointed out, with the new grid form, it's much more difficult to find which podcasts have an unread count. It's very efficient to look down a single "column" and see the numbers. Now, with the new UI, we have to search for them. It's on the bottom row of each tile going horizontally. That's a lot of vertical and horizontal eye movement to get some information. That row contains 4 items. First, it contains the title. Below that, it contains the in progress count, the remaining count, and then the menu item. On my device, since I have it set to only load feeds on wifi, it also has a spinner. That's a lot of data to look through when all I want is the count of podcasts available. On web results, I can quickly scan the title to see if it's what I want, and if not, skip and go DOWN to the next result. When DoggCatcher was vertical, I could easily filter out all the other information visually and just get to what I wanted to see. But with the new UI, I'm forced to process ALL the information before getting what I really want.

Ideally, you would move back to the list form. I felt it was much more natural. But if you must stick with the tile form, perhaps some tweaks would make it more usable. First, move the title away from the other text I want (podcast counts). Perhaps have the title on the image itself on top of a gradient. That takes the text away from the data we're looking at. Move the spinner out from that bottom area onto the image itself. And time it out. I don't need to know it's waiting for wifi all day.

Get rid of the menu button in the bar. It's makes it all so busy. Perhaps just keep the menu hidden away as a long click.

Move to a 2 column view rather than 3. By having 3, it's WAY too much information on one screen in this fashion. Look at another stock android app... none show 3 full columns. It's just information overload. With 2, I have a better idea of where the counts will be (left and right). You're trying to cram everything into a little space. Take a look at the google play music app. Their tiles are much larger and it doesn't feel as crammed.

Those are just a few suggestions, but really, I wish you would go back to the list form. It's much more natural way to view various pieces of information. Podcasts are not art (like pictures) where you can view it from a distance and see what you want. For podcasts, you need to actually process written information to understand it.

And I hate to be one of those people that say "switch back, or else I'm uninstalling," but really, that is what I'm going to do. I have paid for your app and got several years of use out of it. It's not a subscription, so there's not any monetary incentive for you to keep me other than the bad review I will give. So if you think this will get you more customers, then go ahead. Personally, I'll be switching to another app to suit my needs.

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Well it's pretty clear based

Well it's pretty clear based on the feedback here and the market comments that we're going to need to support both the tile and list views. I should have done a better job of listening to my beta testers, I did get some similar feedback from them.

I've whipped up something rough that let's you toggle between the two views and I just released this to my beta testers. Give me a little time to get that tested and tighten it up a bit and I'll get that out to the market.

Once that's done, I'll reply to some of the posts here. There are a lot of good comments here.

Thanks to everyone for speaking up on this. Please give me a day or two to make it right.

Eric

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Eric, you're a gentleman and

Eric, you're a gentleman and a scholar :) You're time is appreciated.

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Thanks Eric for responding so

Thanks Eric for responding so quickly. We all make mistakes, but it's what you do afterwards that makes the difference. The fact that you are keeping up with comments and taking action is worlds better than almost any other major app out there.

I look forward to the update.

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I will voice my thanks as

I will voice my thanks as well. I was pretty disappointed when I saw the tile view since it makes it harder to scan for new episodes. I chose to pay for Doggcatcher instead of another podcatcher app specifically because I hated the tiles the other one used.

But I'm all for choice, and so long as there's an option that let's me go back to my comfort zone, I'm all good. :)

Thanks!

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